Toronto Sun

October 20, 1999

Brother turned in sister

Family urged duo to give up: Cop killer trial

By SAM PAZZANO -- Toronto Sun

Const. Bill Hancox pulled the butcher's knife from his chest and stared into the eyes of his amazed killers, the brother of accused murderer Barbara Taylor testified yesterday.

"He fought to raise himself up in the (Hancox's) passenger seat (after being stabbed)," Dan Herreman recalled his sister telling him hours after Hancox died on Aug. 4, 1998.

Taylor bowed her head, shaking with emotion as co-accused Rose Cece rubbed her back throughout the first hour of Herreman's testimony.

Hancox's widow also wept as she heard grisly details of her husband's death.

"He pulled the knife out of his chest and he looked at them and that's when they ran away. They were amazed," Herreman said. "All they heard were sirens everywhere.

"They couldn't believe how fast the response was," said Herreman, who later collected $1,000 from CrimeStoppers for the tip against his sister.

Taylor, 31, and Cece, 41, have pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder but have accepted responsibility for the slaying. Their plea to the lesser included offence of manslaughter was rejected by the Crown.

At first, Herreman didn't believe his sister's account that "Rosie" had stabbed a stranger in a bid to steal his car.

Shortly before midnight Aug. 5, Herreman was roused from his sleep by his sister and her lover. Taylor's mother, Gwen Herreman and her boyfriend, Joe Clark, were also inside Herreman's Carlaw Ave. home.

"I have to tell you guys something," the brother recalled Taylor saying. "Rosie just stabbed somebody at Neilson and Ellesmere or Sheppard, somewhere around there.

"Rosie agreed. She was standing behind her and said, 'Yes, I did.' She said the knife went straight in. I didn't believe her. We turned on the TV to (CablePulse 24) and we read a scroll saying an officer had been rushed to Sunnybrook vital signs absent."

Both women agreed they should leave Ontario or escape to the north, Herreman testified.

He and his mom urged Taylor and Cece to turn themselves in.

"No, I'm not going to do life," Herreman recalled his sister saying.


He described both women as "nervous, paranoid and scared," a condition that only improved after they watched a noon newscast that stated police were hunting for a male suspect.

"They were a bit relieved. I could tell by their expression and the way they were acting afterwards," Herreman, 28, said.

"They were more normal, not (sic) near as nervous."

Herreman, who admitted he had smoked crack cocaine a dozen times with his sister in the past, said Taylor "appeared nervous and paranoid," but not intoxicated or "high on drugs."

When a newscast suggested Hancox was stabbed in both the neck and chest, Cece immediately said, "I swear, I swear, I swear, I only stabbed him once in the chest, not the neck."

Herreman kicked the couple out of his home the next day and was ridiculed as a "stool pigeon and a goof" by his angry sister when he called CrimeStoppers

But the next day, after a night of walking downtown Toronto streets, Taylor and Cece returned to his doorstep and he handed his sister his last $6.

The trial continues today.

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